Why does criticizing shitty opinions somehow mean that you “can’t handle different opinions than your own” and you’re “attacking free speech”? like criticism /is/ free speech, it’s the exercise of it what the fuck is the deal with that?
It’s part of Stormfront’s forum invasion instructions, if I recall.
Explain
Stormfront used to circulate a document through its forum membership, specifically its subforum for indoctrinating the membership of other websites, no clue if they still do. This was 2010 or so? It was a list of talking points, key phrases, strategies, and methods for invading other forums and bringing them around to a more receptive environment for their rhetoric.
It had instructions on how to make it look like there were a lot more people agreeing with you than there actually were, in order to make it seem as if the fight was already over and the website was only safe for white supremacists and fascists; on how to shut down dissenters of the new status quo, usually with spam or key phrases like the ones you mentioned; how to become a moderation staff member and who to target and how from there.
I’m not saying at all that they invented any of this chatter, that would be patently ridiculous. But I do think this activity had a huge effect on how it’s become a lot more common on the internet and especially with the sub-30 crowd. Stormfront has made no secret about how they’ve taken over 4chan, for example, which was the breeding ground and organization point for the “alt-right.” They didn’t just implement the rhetoric there, they taught it to others memetically.
4chan has a userbase that goes disturbingly young in many cases, so the kids that thought it was fresh six or seven years ago are young adults now. And those that were young adults then are now comfortably situated and camping out in more mainstream venues with these fringe ideas and fringe talking points, and from YouTube comment fields and Twitter diatribes and so on you see those Stormfront techniques passed knowingly or unknowingly to a much wider audience, who are willing to readily accept it as just how things are.
I don’t have a bird’s eye view of any of this. But every time I see those phrases from young people like me, I immediately remember that invasion document.
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Well. This certainly explains some things.
So using ‘Muh Free Speech!’ to silence others free speech was a Neo-Nazi trick.
Are u saying there was a time when 4chan wasn’t 100% white supremacists
yeah, at least around 2006-2007 they were a shitty minority that kept to themselves. Like, in 2008 when Obama was elected, the whole site autoplayed the victory music from Gurren Lagann and all posts were autocorrected to “ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER” for like, a day. After that, neonazis settled on 4chan as a target and the whole site gradually became more and more of a /pol/ cesspit.
We should take back /pol/ from the nazis tbh
This is why we don’t engage nazis. They don’t argue in good faith ever. It’s about force and visibility and shouting down opponents or deceiving the audience.
That’s why we beat the shit out of them instead. No chance for that snake tongue to work while your face is being bashed in.
Taking /pol/ back will fail. We fought hard back in 2008 to try to keep the neo-Nazis from taking over 4chan and just failed badly. The fight for reddit is following the same exact trajectory, and it pretty much lost, which is why I’ve written off the entire site at this point. Tumblr is bad, but they haven’t targeted it in the same way, partially because they’d get more pushback from the much less white userbase, but they do have outposts here.
Well, this is existentuiially terrifying on multiple levels…
Welp I had a bunch of randos show up on my twitter mentions. Sudenly this makes a lot more sense.
During my time in the Socialist party I learnt something very interesting. See, members of the party were very much given to debate; talking was the first approach to everything. Trying to show Capitalists and conservatives through persuasion what we believed to be wrong and why.
Except when encountering fascists.
All the stories of triumph over fascists were through, lesser or greater, acts of violence.
I realised that it’s because you can’t reason with a fascist. They don’t listen, they see debate as a weapon. People who use debate as a tool for understanding will only be frustrated.
So if you meet a fascist, just punch them.
It’s better in the long run.
Bringing this back to add that HuffPo has the entire 17 page Stormfront style guide: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/daily-stormer-nazi-style-guide_us_5a2ece19e4b0ce3b344492f2?m3a
From the article:
“The constant line-toeing and the deliberate muddying of intentions and meaning can have a dizzying effect, especially for media outlets that aren’t used to grappling with such bad actors. Anglin knows this, and he is doing everything in his power to exploit it.”

“Remember this style guide the next time an alt-righter says something so hammily outrageous that you begin to doubt its sincerity. This is by design. The Daily Stormer and other groups like it want you to be unsure if you should take them seriously. Andrew Anglin wants you to think he’s just a troll, that he’s spouting incendiary crap for no other reason than to get a rise out of you. Remember that the irony and the coy misdirection are all in service of tricking people into following him on his path toward a white supremacist state. This is what he believes.”
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